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Paladin of the Pegasos
Joined: 2003/10/19
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For those wanting to get a bounty started or even for some good coders wanting to take on the challenge I have a few things for you. Apple has released the docs on how to get a stack built for consumer devices. There are several code sampes including the reference platform stack code to download and lots of docs for the stack and drivers. Shouldnt be to hard to get it going if you have the time to read through it.
FIREWIRE REFERENCE STACK
DEVICE DRIVERS AND OTHER CODE LINKS
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Order of the Butterfly
Joined: 2003/2/24
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I'd be willing to donate the initial $30 to set this up, however I have no idea what the "goals" should be set to.
Anyone??
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| »2005/9/18 14:39 |
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Paladin of the Pegasos
Joined: 2003/10/19
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From: San Diego, Ca.
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the basics are to get a working stack ported over, the stack code looks portable and from the people I talked to it is. I guess from there we need device drivers as well.
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| »2005/9/18 15:58 |
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Paladin of the Pegasos
Joined: 2003/2/24
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From: Sweden
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As stated in their latest Press Release, Genesi has now licensed a bunch of patent portfolios.
One of them is "The 1394 Portfolio that includes essential and related patents owned by 1394 industry leaders Apple Computer, Inc., Canon, Inc., Hitachi, Ltd., Koninklijke Philips Electronics, N.V., LG Electronics Inc., Matsushita Electric Industrial Co., Ltd. (Panasonic), Samsung Electronics Co., Ltd., Sony Corporation, STMicroelectronics and Toshiba Corporation."
I hope that MorphOS will be able to benefit from this in some way! 
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| »2005/10/6 19:12 |
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Order of the Butterfly
Joined: 2003/2/24
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From: Essex, UK
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So, will the powers that be "ok" the bounty please so that I can provide the initial monies? while i actually have the money would be good (ie before i have to pay for my flat...!)
Thanks.
Sam
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| »2005/10/6 20:40 |
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Acolyte of the Butterfly
Joined: 2003/9/17
Posts: 132
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A FW bounty would be great!
All pegasos has the very same hardware, so only one driver has to be made. |
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| »2005/10/6 20:50 |
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Paladin of the Pegasos
Joined: 2003/3/1
Posts: 1744
From: Los Angeles
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Hi guys
Although its a good idea for a FW bounty, you must understand its not a matter of getting sample code/docs etc but a matter of the low level amiga programming knowledge needed to write a MOS driver. There are literally only a handful of ppl in the world who can do this. With a couple of them on the os4 effort and the others very busy or workin on other mos projects or work.. eg. Frank Mariak, Ralph Schimdt....
magnetic
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| »2005/10/7 22:13 |
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Order of the Butterfly
Joined: 2003/2/24
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From: Essex, UK
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@magnetic:
WEll I for one would be more than happy to pay any of that "handful" to do the work needed for this, even if it takes them a while.
While there is no immediate need for firewire it is becoming more and more popular and such a great shame to have the hardware for it but not be able to use it.
And I'm sure they wouldn't mind the extra income either
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Paladin of the Pegasos
Joined: 2003/3/1
Posts: 1744
From: Los Angeles
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Bifford
IMHO its not so much the income as it is the time involved and the percieved need of getting it done. I mean realistically, the time involved to create the stack, for a handful of users?
magnetic
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| »2005/10/8 7:06 |
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MorphOS Developer
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Apart from that, the IEEE specifications for the firewire layer as well as all its device specifications are not free of charge (and you don't get them for free if you pay for using Firewire in your products to the patent pool consortium as well afaik). It also requires that you at least own a few devices to do proper testing. I doubt that donations would even cover the costs related to that.
On the other hand, its quite suprising that the TCP stack bounty gathered "so much" money after all. At the end, you only get an outdated AmiTCP V3 stack in return which is not up to current standards. Afair, MorphOS' native stack is based on a more recent AmiTCP V4 version at least. Unfortunately, due to circumstances which have been discussed in public to death already, it didn't make it to release so far. But that's a different story ....
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| »2005/10/8 14:15 |
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Order of the Butterfly
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I don't think the fact that the TCP/IP bounty got so much money is negative.
People put money for what they want and for some people a native TCP stack (even if not up to current standards) is better than nothing (or chasing after old 68k stacks).
On a similar subject I hope that the KHTML bounty will get more money than currently because a decent web browser is something most users need to avoid to use a PC / Mac on the side of their Pegasos.
Firewire stack ? Yes I would like one if I had an NLE software.
For mass storage USB2 would be great.
Needless to say I love when the MorphOS team surprise us with a release. |
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| »2005/10/8 20:42 |
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Paladin of the Pegasos
Joined: 2003/3/1
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From: Los Angeles
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cyfm
Thanks for posting to let people know the realitiy of it. If you guys arent aware pega-1 is Frank Mariak one of the Fathers of MOS and one of the few that could do it. As he described its not very practical...
as far as the tcp stack it echoes many things said before as there exsists a nice native stack that will come in next release afaik.
@cdfr
Perhaps a USB 2.0 stack (extension to Poseidon 1.1 stack) would make a good bounty... and alot more realistic
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| »2005/10/9 18:45 |
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MorphOS Developer
Joined: 2003/6/11
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as there exsists a nice native stack that will come in next release afaik
But you must assume first that there will be any next release, which is not clear.
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| »2005/10/9 19:28 |
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| »2005/10/10 10:01 |
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Paladin of the Pegasos
Joined: 2003/10/19
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From: San Diego, Ca.
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I feel just the same way. I plan to put in a nice chunk of change when the DHCP starts getting worked on. Its a great bounty and deserves a lot of money for the ammount of time that needs to be put into it. Just look at the ammount its collected so far compaired to the AROS one! That alone should tell others just how much we all want this completed.
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| »2005/10/10 15:41 |
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Paladin of the Pegasos
Joined: 2003/2/24
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From: Sweden
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Apart from that, the IEEE specifications for the firewire layer as well as all its device specifications are not free of charge (and you don't get them for free if you pay for using Firewire in your products to the patent pool consortium as well afaik).
Doesn't the problem consist of two parts, one technological and one juridical? You will need documentation, specifications, etc in order to create the actual thing, and then you will need a proper license to use it in a real, commercial product?
I have not looked too deeply into them myself, but what were the links Acill posted? AFAIK, those would provide everything you need to get going, with documentation, example code and everything? And then the license Genesi acquired could bring the right to use it commercially?
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It also requires that you at least own a few devices to do proper testing. I doubt that donations would even cover the costs related to that.
No, not really, not from a *bounty* project at least. What's required is *access* to a bunch of devices (which is not at all the same thing as owning them). It could be solved I think! But then (AFAIK) a lot of developments has been funded by giving HW gadgets as payment, and for a developer looking at this from *that* POV, a creative arrangement on a bounty level project might look less feasable ...?
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| »2005/10/10 15:56 |
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MorphOS Developer
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Quote:Sonic wrote: Quote:
pega-1 wrote:
On the other hand, its quite suprising that the TCP stack bounty gathered "so much" money after all. At the end, you only get an outdated AmiTCP V3 stack in return which is not up to current standards.
You just don't know. It's already v4, not v3. Socket events code is being finished.
I'm not talking about IP v4 versus IP v3, I am talking about AmiTCP versions. There is a free version 3 source code available and MorphOS uses version 4 which has been paid for in order to be used. At least I would wonder how you could get your hands on a version 4 while for the use inside MorphOS money had to be paid ...
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| »2005/10/10 16:11 |
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Butterfly
Joined: 2003/2/26
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>Since there are no hints about when (or even
>*if*) a native TCP/IP stack might get released, I
>am not at all surprised by the popularity of this
>bounty.
The main problem IMHO is if the MorphOS 1.5 is
released with its own TCP/IP stack it is probably
incompatible with the bounty stack and will
therefore block it. And then people have spent lots
of money for a stack which they won't be able to
ever use.
IMHO from the beginning the bounties should have
been limited to project which are for sure no
system components on which also the MorphOS
Team is working on. Bounties for system
components like TCP/IP, 3d drivers, etc. make no
sense. You also don't want a bounty for a new asl,
intuition or cybergfx library, do you? |
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| »2005/10/10 16:27 |
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